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How is it Jose’s fault?
Far be it for me to be Devils Advocate but I’m going against most “United” fans who mail in to F365. Jose isn’t perfect by any means but when World Cup winner and so called talisman Paul Pogba ponces around the field like he doesn’t give a f*ck, losing the ball at every opportunity then not even attempting to win it back why is Jose Mourinho at fault?
We have an expensively assembled team of shysters, in a previous life we had players who would leave everything on the pitch for the cause, players who loved the club and would run through brick walls for United, now we have social media mad prima donnas who have no affinity with either the club or fans who care not one jot about anything but clicks, likes and cash.
Players like Pogba, Martial, Sanchez and Lukaku have all the talent in the World but are either unwilling or unable to perform consistently for United, we have players like Young, Smalling, Vallencia, Jones and Darmian who are not good enough for a team with title and European aspirations.
Basically what I am trying to say is, Jose seems to be the easy and only target for fans on here, but if we do get rid who comes in and more importantly can he get a tune out of the misfiring dross that Jose has at his disposal.
Paul Murphy, Manchester
Scary stuff
Can I just say it before anyone else does, as it’s heading in that direction….
“What if Klopp had a knife!!?”
Vinnie (and no, Mourinho wouldn’t have done that, Klopp was smiling) Brownlow, LFC, Glasgow
Teams get an easy ride against United
Sid, LFC, Mumbai comments that southampton have some fine midfielders with Lemina gliding around the pitch and questions how they can be in the relegation zone.
Simple answer is that United’s midfield lets other teams dictate and play football how they want. Teams get an easy ride against united these days because we don’t press, we don’t run, we don’t close down our opponents. Against Young Boys it was the same, as with Crystal Palace, Newcastle, Valencia and so on. United make teams look good. If you watch any other southampton games this season you will see them being bossed about in midfield (Liverpool completely picked their midfield apart recently), with no time on the ball which is why they are relegation candidates.
Dan, MUFC, Belfast.
Saints not sinners …
I’ll avoid the ‘I told you so’ rhetoric after other Saints fan chastised me when I criticized Hughes’ full time appointed last season, so instead let’s all look forward to a positive appointment, a shift back to appointing young, progressive… oh wait, hot favorites for the roles are Craig effing Shakespeare and Nigel Pearson … Mother. Of. God. I know it’s only SSN, so it’s largely a campaign to lure people into stupid bets at a particular bookmakers, but please don’t let this be true. If the board are even considering these alternate PFM, (or the usual bunch) Saints fans should seriously consider a boycott. It would really show just how little the Southampton board know about football. I can fully see them going after the likes of Big Sam, despite Saints strongest area being midfield, and his tendency to bypass that part of the pitch entirely.
No one expect miracles, but let’s go after someone that at least attempts to play good football … Bielsa, Wilder, Wagner (Sorry Sarah), Heckling … probably all optimistic for different reasons, but there must me others across Europe of a similar mold. For every Pellegrino, there is a Pochettino.
David Moore
I think Pogba is lazy
I really enjoyed the email from Henry, Koln today.
It got me thinking about my job and how people perform. Some people only want a job. Some want a career. Some people want to come in 9-5 and go home. They’re happy with their salary and don’t want any more from the job. Others want to become the best in their role. Want to become more senior and want to earn more money.
Does Pogba have to want to be the best he can be? Can he not clock in 9-5 (or footballers equivalent) and go home get a new haircut and do a funny dance on Snapchat with teammates?
I think Pogba is lazy. Not trying to slaughter him here. Lots of us humans are lazy. We could do better in work but we don’t want to. We’d rather relax and chill.
Is Pogba not allowed do the same? I don’t have the answer. Obviously you don’t want that from a sports person. It’s meant to be different for them. Their meant to want to be the best but is it right that we demand it from them? Earns X amount just isn’t an argument for me. They all earn a fortune. They’ve got a job that pays well. There’s lazy doctors and lazy solicitors as well ya know? They get paid a lot more than most. Genuinely want someone to tell me why it’s not right for a footballer to do the bare minimum just to get by when I think it is fair to say you’d expect and allow that from almost any other person in any other job. Just seems like sports people aren’t allowed that. Why?
Gough, LFC, Dublin (I understand why it is frustrating. I wouldn’t want one at Liverpool. I don’t need that explained)
Seven conclusions on Palace
Dear Football365,
I’m sure that fans of the Arsenal and Hotspur will dominate today’s mailboxes but hopefully there’s space for something else.
*By some distance, Crystal Palace produced their best performance of the season on Saturday. We’re normally a team that has ideas above our station in terms of our playing style, where ambition is not always matched by execution. However, every so often it all clicks and we look tremendous, instead of being over-elaborate and making silly mistakes. It even felt like the goals were the sort we normally concede – a fluke/defensive mix-up combination and a screamer.
The team were just switched on all day. Troy Townsend tweeted a photo of the celebrations of his son’s goal, and in the background you can see Roy Hodgson giving instructions to someone (possibly James Tomkins). It was the antithesis of Alan Pardew’s FA Cup Final dance, the need to be switched on to prevent the Clarets coming back at us hammer and tongs.
*One of the most impressive things about Saturday was the way that the Palace players kept their composure. Having been on a winless run and struggled at home all season, all manner of nerves and frustration could have set in when we failed to convert several good chances. However, the players stuck at it and barely gave Burnley a sniff, before Andros Townsend put the game to bed.
*This was a victory for the whole club. This game saw the return of the Holmesdale Fanatics supporters group. While it’s easy for other teams to deride them as self-styled ultras, and they aren’t every Palace fan’s cup of tea, they do contribute a huge amount to the atmosphere at home. They’ve been in exile while they have been working with the club over the creation of a singing section behind the goal, which involved re-locating the fans already there, a long and drawn out process that had threatened to overshadow the whole season. The spirit of co-operation between club and fans – to improve the atmosphere at games – seems almost quaintly old-fashioned in an era of soulless modern stadia, £77 tickets and cheese rooms.
*While there hasn’t been genuine ill will towards Hodgson, some of his team selections have caused some loud tutting among Eagles fans, particular in relation to Max Meyer. Keeping the German on the bench while those on the field toil and struggle to create chances only served to increase his reputation in his absence. However, Meyer was tremendous on Saturday, suggesting he can be this year’s equivalent to Yohan Cabaye, albeit not as an absolute direct replacement.
*For several of the reasons highlighted by Peter G on Friday, Burnley were dire. Several of Sean Dyche’s high profile signings featured but failed to make any sort of impact, they allowed almost 150% of their season average for shots per game, and in attack they failed to have a single shot on target. Several of his high-profile signings underperformed, and he was tactically unimaginative: he started with 4-2-3-1 with a big striker, after 60 minutes switched to 4-4-2 with two big strikers, and then replaced his starting big striker with another big striker. Last season, Dyche showed he has the ability to take a smaller club to great overachievement. However, at the moment it seems like he has been found out a bit by the cannier tactical operators.
*Next up for Palace is a trip to the South Coast tomorrow night in the “why is this even a derby” Derby, before they play West Ham (a) on Saturday and Leicester City (h). Having had their tough run of several top sides all in a row, they are now in a stretch of games where they could pull themselves right up into mid-table if results go their way.
*Couldn’t help spotting Etienne Capoue was sent off a mite harshly on Saturday. Having escaped a red card for a much worse tackle on Wilfried Zaha earlier in the season, karma est une chienne, n’est-ce pas?
Ed Quoththeraven
Only Man United fans unhappy in top 10?
If you look at the top 10 of the Premier league I think you can make a case for every team having a good season so far with the exception of Man U.
City imperious
Liverpool challenging
Chelsea transitioning well under Sarri
Arsenal with newfound belief under Emery
Spurs progressing under Poch
Everton looking interesting with a new Brazilian star
Leicester despite the circumstances in football terms doing great
Bournemouth playing lovely stuff and stable top half
Watford well away from the drop playing attractive football
Whereas at Man U they have the highest wages, have spent hundreds of millions and supposedly have one of the greatest coaches in the world and yet they are playing unwatchable football and scrabbling around to get draws against relegation threatened teams or lucky single goal wins.
If you gave a neutral the opportunity to watch any team I think Man U would be bottom amongst the top 10 in terms of watching quality football. Of course they have world class players and the largest stadium but in purely football terms I think they are the most unwatchable and uninteresting.
Paul K, London
See you soon Sparky!
So, it turns out these days drawing at home to United can get you sacked. How times have changed! Realistically Hughes will have a new job in the Premier League in a couple of months as we continue the merry go round of English Premier league managers.
All the best, enjoy your Monday
Kieran.
Dear Jose,
Mark Hughes lost his Job today after a draw with us, the not so mighty, quite frankly sh*t Red Devils.
Mark Hughes …. Let that sink in. Nuff said.
Grab Ed on your way out, bring the Glazholes with you, Ask Fergie if he’d just finish the season out while we line up a manager who hasn’t forgotten how to manage.
Cheers for the Europa, enjoy a Sabbatical, seems to be the thing to do these days.
Big I (MUFC)
Banana throwing
There are idiots who attend football games and ruin the spectacle for others and besmirch the name of decent fellow fans and the club they ‘follow’ but I would like to think in this day and age that maybe the person who threw the banana didn’t intend it as a racial gesture.
I’m an Arsenal fan and of Pakistani descent so have come across my fair share of intolerance but as we saw when Eric Dier scored his goal there were plenty of objects thrown onto the pitch by Arsenal fans. I’d like to think that, rather than a return to the dark days of the past that this Tottenham fan threw onto the pitch the thing they had to hand and it just so happened to be a banana peel which they had finished eating. They would have thrown it out of frustration whether the goal had been scored by any Arsenal player by which I mean it could have been a white player such as Bellerin, Torreira and so on.
If this wasn’t the case and it was premeditated then ban them from grounds and make an example that this behaviour will not be tolerated from fans. Such a shame that it happened on the weekend where players wore rainbow laces and rainbow armbands to try and rid the game of homophobia.
But what a game and what an atmosphere at the Emirates and I believe that this is what the Arsenal fans wished for when we asked for a change in leadership at the club.
Rahim, Watford
Ramsey w*nkfest
Fans should quit the w*nkfest over Ramsey – he played well but this contract fallout is down to his greed.
Imagine paying him that cash, then we play a top side where you need energy and discipline; you look to the bench where Mhkitaryan, Ozil and Ramsey all sit, earning more between them three than the combined starting 11.
I’d rather keep Welbeck than Ramsey with his current demands. Worth noting too that we haven’t made a poor signing in the last 18mths.
Thom, (At 2-1 down with nothing to lose, it’s easy for Ramsey to play well) Newport
Training
I mean seriously, Henry, as the Secret Footballer explains, Premier League players typically train at a very high intensity for two to three hours a day and have an inordinate amount of spare time. Which is unsurprising if you think about it because the job they’re training for involves doing very high intensity work for approximately 90 minutes to two hours, Henry’s mail is actually a great example of something people assume to be true about football because it feels like common sense.
As is the “focus” stuff, to be honest. I mean, what do we really know about Pogba’s life, his level of focus on football and its relationship to his ability on the pitch? We know he (or his representative) had time to post on Instagram twice in the last week. That he annoyed his boss by having his hair cut whilst on a work trip (something he also did whilst winning the World Cup, for the record). We don’t know how much time any of that really takes up or how much it occupies his mind or what effect keeping his mind on or off football has on his mental state. Not everyone thrives through spending their every waking moment obsessed with one thing, some do so because they can switch off.
The point here isn’t just that some of the extraneous issues focused on in dodgy journalism are irrelevant or unfair. It’s that the whole exercise, including the attempt to put these things in “context”, is a load of cod sports psychology that has nothing behind it beyond assumptions, confirmation bias and prejudice. There’s no meaningful content here other than what people want to see.
Jack Saunders
Fat Man’s thoughts from the weekend
1- Klopp can run onto the pitch all he wants. I love the guy and I’m a blue, he just won a derby in the last minute, go for it fella – non-story for non people.
2- Minty, LFC – nice attempt at trolling but if you had any knowledge of your Merseyside brethren, you would know that it doesn’t break our hearts at all. You should know that we are Everton, we expect to be sh*t, and so anything else is a bonus. The fact that we lost to Liverpool is no surprise at all. What I find surprising is that Liverpool fans seem to be under-rating their team this year more than any other year. Everton don’t have a striker of any quality. Liverpool have 3 and yet you still try and goad us after a flukey 96th minute win? Ah well
3- Pickford. The minute he spooned a clearance out for a corner right at the beginning of the game, I knew that he would cost us this one. In the big games he just always makes one howler of some sort – see Spain, but if we’d have taken our chances, it wouldn’t have mattered. See points 2 & 8 of needing a striker. So we won’t castigate him as he’s been mostly brilliant, however, I’m sure I’m not the only one who thinks that there always is a David James type flap in there somewhere
4- Bobby – Liverpool did just scrape a win. I don’t know how you define it other than through your own perceived injustice but you did. You scraped a win, at home, in Fergie time, at the kop end against lil ol Everton.
5- Damo says that if Everton finish above Utd then they will have a good season regardless of the mess at Utd. Sorry what? I actually think that if we finish above Utd, it will be a fairly sh*t season because ManU ain’t going to do nuffin this year. Hell they could even finish in the bottom half the way teams like Bournemouth are playing. Nothing like over-stating Utd capabilities or indeed the fans’ assumptions in order to patronise other teams efforts
6- Humphrey – you should’ve stayed tuned to Sky Sports. There were actually 2 star midfielders on show on Sunday, the one you forgot was Andre Gomes. I cannot overstate how much of an impact he has had on our team. If Idrissa Gueye could pass, we’d have the best midfield in the league
7- Chelsea and Spurs – Sorry guys but I see your champions league places as up for grabs. Spurs for not buying anyone new and Chelsea for marginalising the greatest defensive midfielder the game has ever seen.
8- Form aside, All top 6 teams have at least 1 class striker on their books, except Everton. City have Aguero/Jesus, Liverpool have Salah/Firmino, Chelsea have Giroud/Hazard, Spurs have Kane, Arsenal have Auba/Lacazette, even languishing Man Utd have Lukaku, Rashford and Martial. When Everton finally sign one of Charli’s Brazilian mates in January/Summer, we WILL be a force to be reckoned with
9- Ref for the Merseyside derby was excellent
10- Martin Tyler is an odious tw*t. His brown-nosing of Liverpool all the way through was nauseating, especially in the build up to the final few minutes, from Robertson’s corner he just couldn’t help himself spaffing all over the mic. I don’t mind commentators/pundits losing it when someone scores but it’s like they are trying to setup every mundane situation as an amazing game changer.
A message for Sky. We like, nay we LOVE football. This season has been brilliant so far, we’ve all paid our subscriptions so why are you continuing to upsell during the match? We’ve already paid so just commentate on the game and stop trying to get your voice on the highlights promos all the time. Tyler just sounds like he’s trying to outdo himself for the prize of most tenuous superlative
Fat Man Scouse (sanguine because there was so much to like about our improvement)
